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2013 Golden Globe Superhero Awards

Also In Attendance: The Batman With Nipples, Dr. Chase Meridian, Invisible Woman, War Machine, Sabretooth, Two-Face, Elektro, Mr. Freeze, Colonel Chester Philips, Aunt May, Chudnofsky

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@8 months ago with 200 notes
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Why I make a stink about this

rosalarian:

I grew up reading superheroes, in comics, on TV, in movies. Of course, I had to steal my younger brother’s comics to read them, because giving comics to a five year old boy is more acceptable than giving them to a 10 year old girl (???), but I loved them. I drew my own superheroes in all my notebooks. I spent all of 5th and 6th grade drawing superheroes.

When I hit middle school and became more aware of the role I was expected to fulfill as a female, I stopped reading DC and Marvel. It was like realizing the emperor had no clothes, except instead of the emperor, it was nearly every female superhero in these books, and I couldn’t unsee any of it. I became embarrassed to be seen reading these comics, not because I was ashamed of my nerdom, but because I was ashamed at how my gender was represented in this medium. And I stopped drawing comics, too, because it became apparent that I wasn’t too welcome in this career.

Manga got me back into comics. Oh, it’s far from awesome, and probably has just as many problems as American comics, but they were different problems. Also, we were getting a sort of filter on them. It was mainly good comics getting translated, and for once, there were companies putting forth a genuine effort to recruit me as a reader. All of these women as main characters, aimed at women readers, drawn by women artists. Instead of a naked emperor, I now had a fully clothed, democratically elected president. I was elated. I started drawing again, now drawing manga-influenced romance stories.

I don’t really like romance, though. And the manga bubble burst a few years ago (okay, now you’re just translating crap; just because it’s from Japan doesn’t mean it’s golden) so I kind of drifted from manga, but I was never pushed out of it. I discovered webcomics, and bookstores had started carrying indie comics. Now here were all kinds of creators doing things, without marketing executives standing over their shoulders telling them “You can’t write that. It doesn’t speak to our demographic, and we can’t sell action figures of that.” Such variety of storylines, from such a variety of creators! All different backgrounds and perspectives, and the only barrier to publishing was internet access. Of course, there’s gonna be lots of bad ones, but the cream more or less rose to the top. So I started doing webcomics, and built myself a thriving career. Dreams coming true left or right, because I stopped waiting for DC or Marvel to fulfill them for me.

But I never stopped liking superhero stories. I love the concept of superheroes. I love escapist stories, stories that let you vicariously be amazing, and do amazing things. But for me, finding female characters having to put up with the same sexism I deal with in the real world, it’s not much of an escape most of the time. I’m constantly ejected from the story, thrust back into real life whenever I notice that naked emperor’s genitals still dangling in my face.

I criticize DC and Marvel extensively, because I want to like them so bad. I want to have that world back. I want to fly, and shoot lasers, and lift cars, and not have to worry about how hard it is to roundhouse kick someone while wearing 5 inch stilettos. There is no reason why I should be told to tolerate the way things are while so many people get to have this carefree enjoyment at my expense. I don’t think I’m alone in this feeling. Heck, part of loving comics is arguing about them with other fans for days on end. :)

@1 year ago with 59 notes
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peggypotts:

I kind of resent the suggestion that there would be something inherent about superheroes that wouldn’t be of interest to women…. There’s nothing inherently masculine about power fantasies. There’s nothing inherently masculine about superhero comics. There’s nothing inherently masculine about mythology. About science fiction. There is no reason that a woman who is interested in this field as a reader or creator should feel that she is peculiar in any way. 

-Kelly Sue DeConnick [x]

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@8 months ago with 4135 notes
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Dear Sir, Regarding Your Affection for A Compacted Catwoman

wheelr:

For all the chaps who are so upset, furious, offended, affronted that people mocked the Catwoman #0 cover, I have a few words of counsel.

First, please understand that the critics are not complaining that the cover is “too sexy”. Perhaps someone somewhere has said that the cover is “too sexy”, but I can’t find that person, so it’s not a common view let alone the consensus. Most comic readers probably agree that a character like Catwoman can’t be “too sexy”. She’s sexy and you know it.

In fact, I think most critics would agree that the cover isn’t sexy enough; indeed it’s not sexy at all. Catwoman should be considerably sexier than this chew toy-shaped carbuncle. But that’s subjective. Some people may find this fleshy bow-tie immensely sexy, and to each their own. I’m not attracted to women myself; if I were I’d like to think I’d prefer ones who don’t look like they’ve had a close encounter with a car crusher, but I respect your choices, sir. Good for you for having the confidence to stand up for your fetish.

The point is, “too sexy” is not the problem. I know that “this sex symbol is too sexy” is a nice easy position to pick a fight with, but it’s not what people are saying, and it’s simply not sporting to invent other people’s positions. The right to invent unlikely positions is strictly reserved for comic book artists.

Second, please recognise that no criticism of one piece of cheesecake is an attack on all cheesecake. Some people will and do attack all cheesecake, of course, but I will stand with you on the line against that assault, my friend, because I believe in cheesecake and I believe in your right to cheesecake. But most people are more nuanced than that; they may believe, for example, that women should sometimes be sexy femme fatales and sometimes be intelligent kick-ass lead heroes who never have to seduce anyone or endure sexual violence. We have names for these types of characters. We call them Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, et cetera.

You too can adopt a nuanced position. You too can acknowledge that a piece of work is bad without having to pack all your wank materials into black bags for the binmen. If you admit that this cover is bad - which it is, it really is - no-one is going to take your dog-eared Danger Girl collection to the local Sally Army for someone less enlightened to enjoy. Your freedom to enjoy visual representations of attractive women are not under threat. You will live to masturbate another day.

The point of criticising - or mocking - a cover like this is to flag bad art that embodies the comic industry’s tendency to reduce women to sexy sexy objects rather than elevate them as sexy sexy characters. That this cover was the work of Guillem March seems extraordinary, because he’s a skilled practitioner of the art of cheesecake. He’s built his reputation drawing glossily glamorous women. His ambition may have been his downfall here; he may have drawn Catwoman like this because he had a bold vision but couldn’t make it work on the page. The effort is laudable; the result is laughable. 

I don’t think that’s what happened. I think March drew this cover as a joke. I think he was seeing how far he could push the pursuit of T&A at the expense of anatomy; his blog and work both show that he finds that tension fascinating. I think he played a game of chicken with his editor, and I think he was surprised when the editor didn’t blink, and I think he decided not to blink either, and we all lost that game. I suspect he probably regrets letting this cover out into the world, because there’s a serious danger of it being the piece he’s most famous for, and he’s much better than this. But that’s just a theory. Maybe Guillem March stands behind this cover. Maybe this is serious work.

And yes, the cover to Catwoman #0 reduces the character to her sexual assets. But in a diverse and perfect world you can do that in an artful way; you can be sexy, elegant, playful. This is none of those things. This Catwoman is a knuckle of tit. She could have been grown in a pleasure lab for lonely men. She could change her name to Fleshlight Armstrong. This cover is insulting to women, not because it’s sexual, but because it’s bad. It’s also insulting to heterosexual men, but heterosexual men have apparently never minded an insult they can wank to.

Third; it is an impossible pose. Yes, I’ve seen the pictures that supposedly show real people in the same pose. I know you like to believe that everything you see in glamour photographs is real even though you know it isn’t true, but let’s go ahead and take those photos at face value. They still don’t show women in the same pose. The Catwoman cover shows a woman leaping through the air. The photos show women stretching against solid surfaces. Try flexing your fingers backwards. See if your fingers go any further back when you push them against a table. Right? Right. The photos also show a different angle. There’s a reason you can’t find an overhead shot with a woman in the Catwoman pose, with her boobs and her butt both sticking out; because it’s imposible. And you’ve looked at a lot of photos of women bending their spines. If that picture exists, it’s on your harddrive. You didn’t produce it, so I have to assume it doesn’t exist.

And you know what else is different about the Catwoman cover? Her head. I know you’re only looking at her boobs and her ass, but if you force your eyes to meet in the middle, you’ll see that her head is impossibly placed. Spines aren’t drain snakes. 

Fourth; you’re right, exaggerated anatomy is common in a lot of art. That does not place it beyond criticism. Art without response is just wallpaper, and even wallpaper sometimes merits criticism. Superhero art is especially ripe with anatomical implausibility. Sometimes it’s effective, but sometimes it isn’t, and when it isn’t we are allowed to call it out. You know how everyone mocked Rob Liefeld’s Heroes Reborn Captain America? You probably turned up to that party. Why didn’t you turn up to this one?

Fifth; I know you like to pretend that people only ever say that a thing is sexist because they want to be cool or popular or attractive to girls, but I think you know that’s not true. People talk about this stuff because it matters. It may stir up attention and it may increase circulation, but you have to understand that throwing bread to hungry people tends to cause a fuss.

You’ve never had to worry about getting scraps from someone else’s table. The culture serves you, sir. You are, and always have been, and always will be, the primary audience. Yet there are little corners of the world that serve other people - sometimes with you in the room, and sometimes when you’re out of it. And every time you notice it happening, you complain. 

Every time.

Every.

Time.

Every time the culture serves someone who isn’t you, and every time someone who isn’t you comments on culture, you moan, you jostle, you threaten, you splutter with indignation. “What is this? People are mocking the ample bosoms that I so enjoy? Fetch my blunderbuss.” And because the culture is almost always about you - so much so that you’ve never even consciously acknowledged it - you see anything that isn’t about you as a threat. But it’s not a threat. It’s not a mob, or a gang, or even a bandwagon. It’s just the rest of the world. And you’re not excluded from it; you’re just choosing not to participate because you know you’ll have to share the spotlight.

You are never going to stop being the primary audience. So put down the blunderbuss and throw the rest of the world some scraps from your table.

Sixth; saying you’re revolted, disgusted, angry that people are criticising such-and-such, that is a rhetorical trick that doesn’t work any more. “You’re offended by this art? Well I am literally vomiting with outrage that you would criticise my right to enjoy it! I’m sure if you had your way I would be flayed alive in the street, and that makes you no better than Jeffrey Dahmer”.

I know you learned this trick from actual minorities, the actually maligned with actual reasons to be outraged, and I know you’ve got some good mileage out of it, but you can’t be the majority and claim to be oppressed. Real life is not Fox News. Breathe in, breathe out.

(“You did not tell me to breathe in again; clearly you want me to suffocate, which is so typical of you liberal elites, always pretending to be tolerant and then trying to suffocate people who disagree with you!”)

And seventh; you’re right that we should all take some responsibility for how our culture shapes us. But if you grew up watching cartoons and never became a Thundercat, that doesn’t merit much applause. If you grew up watching cartoons with largely male ensembles and only limited roles for women, you may want to consider if that experience has contributed to your attitudes in any way.

I hope these notes have helped you to contextualise your feelings. 

Yours sincerely, et cetera.

@11 months ago with 2241 notes
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4 months ago
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8 months ago
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8 months ago
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Dear Sir, Regarding Your Affection for A Compacted Catwoman

wheelr:

For all the chaps who are so upset, furious, offended, affronted that people mocked the Catwoman #0 cover, I have a few words of counsel.

First, please understand that the critics are not complaining that the cover is “too sexy”. Perhaps someone somewhere has said that the cover is “too sexy”, but I can’t find that person, so it’s not a common view let alone the consensus. Most comic readers probably agree that a character like Catwoman can’t be “too sexy”. She’s sexy and you know it.

In fact, I think most critics would agree that the cover isn’t sexy enough; indeed it’s not sexy at all. Catwoman should be considerably sexier than this chew toy-shaped carbuncle. But that’s subjective. Some people may find this fleshy bow-tie immensely sexy, and to each their own. I’m not attracted to women myself; if I were I’d like to think I’d prefer ones who don’t look like they’ve had a close encounter with a car crusher, but I respect your choices, sir. Good for you for having the confidence to stand up for your fetish.

The point is, “too sexy” is not the problem. I know that “this sex symbol is too sexy” is a nice easy position to pick a fight with, but it’s not what people are saying, and it’s simply not sporting to invent other people’s positions. The right to invent unlikely positions is strictly reserved for comic book artists.

Second, please recognise that no criticism of one piece of cheesecake is an attack on all cheesecake. Some people will and do attack all cheesecake, of course, but I will stand with you on the line against that assault, my friend, because I believe in cheesecake and I believe in your right to cheesecake. But most people are more nuanced than that; they may believe, for example, that women should sometimes be sexy femme fatales and sometimes be intelligent kick-ass lead heroes who never have to seduce anyone or endure sexual violence. We have names for these types of characters. We call them Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, et cetera.

You too can adopt a nuanced position. You too can acknowledge that a piece of work is bad without having to pack all your wank materials into black bags for the binmen. If you admit that this cover is bad - which it is, it really is - no-one is going to take your dog-eared Danger Girl collection to the local Sally Army for someone less enlightened to enjoy. Your freedom to enjoy visual representations of attractive women are not under threat. You will live to masturbate another day.

The point of criticising - or mocking - a cover like this is to flag bad art that embodies the comic industry’s tendency to reduce women to sexy sexy objects rather than elevate them as sexy sexy characters. That this cover was the work of Guillem March seems extraordinary, because he’s a skilled practitioner of the art of cheesecake. He’s built his reputation drawing glossily glamorous women. His ambition may have been his downfall here; he may have drawn Catwoman like this because he had a bold vision but couldn’t make it work on the page. The effort is laudable; the result is laughable. 

I don’t think that’s what happened. I think March drew this cover as a joke. I think he was seeing how far he could push the pursuit of T&A at the expense of anatomy; his blog and work both show that he finds that tension fascinating. I think he played a game of chicken with his editor, and I think he was surprised when the editor didn’t blink, and I think he decided not to blink either, and we all lost that game. I suspect he probably regrets letting this cover out into the world, because there’s a serious danger of it being the piece he’s most famous for, and he’s much better than this. But that’s just a theory. Maybe Guillem March stands behind this cover. Maybe this is serious work.

And yes, the cover to Catwoman #0 reduces the character to her sexual assets. But in a diverse and perfect world you can do that in an artful way; you can be sexy, elegant, playful. This is none of those things. This Catwoman is a knuckle of tit. She could have been grown in a pleasure lab for lonely men. She could change her name to Fleshlight Armstrong. This cover is insulting to women, not because it’s sexual, but because it’s bad. It’s also insulting to heterosexual men, but heterosexual men have apparently never minded an insult they can wank to.

Third; it is an impossible pose. Yes, I’ve seen the pictures that supposedly show real people in the same pose. I know you like to believe that everything you see in glamour photographs is real even though you know it isn’t true, but let’s go ahead and take those photos at face value. They still don’t show women in the same pose. The Catwoman cover shows a woman leaping through the air. The photos show women stretching against solid surfaces. Try flexing your fingers backwards. See if your fingers go any further back when you push them against a table. Right? Right. The photos also show a different angle. There’s a reason you can’t find an overhead shot with a woman in the Catwoman pose, with her boobs and her butt both sticking out; because it’s imposible. And you’ve looked at a lot of photos of women bending their spines. If that picture exists, it’s on your harddrive. You didn’t produce it, so I have to assume it doesn’t exist.

And you know what else is different about the Catwoman cover? Her head. I know you’re only looking at her boobs and her ass, but if you force your eyes to meet in the middle, you’ll see that her head is impossibly placed. Spines aren’t drain snakes. 

Fourth; you’re right, exaggerated anatomy is common in a lot of art. That does not place it beyond criticism. Art without response is just wallpaper, and even wallpaper sometimes merits criticism. Superhero art is especially ripe with anatomical implausibility. Sometimes it’s effective, but sometimes it isn’t, and when it isn’t we are allowed to call it out. You know how everyone mocked Rob Liefeld’s Heroes Reborn Captain America? You probably turned up to that party. Why didn’t you turn up to this one?

Fifth; I know you like to pretend that people only ever say that a thing is sexist because they want to be cool or popular or attractive to girls, but I think you know that’s not true. People talk about this stuff because it matters. It may stir up attention and it may increase circulation, but you have to understand that throwing bread to hungry people tends to cause a fuss.

You’ve never had to worry about getting scraps from someone else’s table. The culture serves you, sir. You are, and always have been, and always will be, the primary audience. Yet there are little corners of the world that serve other people - sometimes with you in the room, and sometimes when you’re out of it. And every time you notice it happening, you complain. 

Every time.

Every.

Time.

Every time the culture serves someone who isn’t you, and every time someone who isn’t you comments on culture, you moan, you jostle, you threaten, you splutter with indignation. “What is this? People are mocking the ample bosoms that I so enjoy? Fetch my blunderbuss.” And because the culture is almost always about you - so much so that you’ve never even consciously acknowledged it - you see anything that isn’t about you as a threat. But it’s not a threat. It’s not a mob, or a gang, or even a bandwagon. It’s just the rest of the world. And you’re not excluded from it; you’re just choosing not to participate because you know you’ll have to share the spotlight.

You are never going to stop being the primary audience. So put down the blunderbuss and throw the rest of the world some scraps from your table.

Sixth; saying you’re revolted, disgusted, angry that people are criticising such-and-such, that is a rhetorical trick that doesn’t work any more. “You’re offended by this art? Well I am literally vomiting with outrage that you would criticise my right to enjoy it! I’m sure if you had your way I would be flayed alive in the street, and that makes you no better than Jeffrey Dahmer”.

I know you learned this trick from actual minorities, the actually maligned with actual reasons to be outraged, and I know you’ve got some good mileage out of it, but you can’t be the majority and claim to be oppressed. Real life is not Fox News. Breathe in, breathe out.

(“You did not tell me to breathe in again; clearly you want me to suffocate, which is so typical of you liberal elites, always pretending to be tolerant and then trying to suffocate people who disagree with you!”)

And seventh; you’re right that we should all take some responsibility for how our culture shapes us. But if you grew up watching cartoons and never became a Thundercat, that doesn’t merit much applause. If you grew up watching cartoons with largely male ensembles and only limited roles for women, you may want to consider if that experience has contributed to your attitudes in any way.

I hope these notes have helped you to contextualise your feelings. 

Yours sincerely, et cetera.

11 months ago
#catwoman #guillem march #dc comics #superheroes #cheesecake art #cover art #comic book anatomy #comics 
Why I make a stink about this

rosalarian:

I grew up reading superheroes, in comics, on TV, in movies. Of course, I had to steal my younger brother’s comics to read them, because giving comics to a five year old boy is more acceptable than giving them to a 10 year old girl (???), but I loved them. I drew my own superheroes in all my notebooks. I spent all of 5th and 6th grade drawing superheroes.

When I hit middle school and became more aware of the role I was expected to fulfill as a female, I stopped reading DC and Marvel. It was like realizing the emperor had no clothes, except instead of the emperor, it was nearly every female superhero in these books, and I couldn’t unsee any of it. I became embarrassed to be seen reading these comics, not because I was ashamed of my nerdom, but because I was ashamed at how my gender was represented in this medium. And I stopped drawing comics, too, because it became apparent that I wasn’t too welcome in this career.

Manga got me back into comics. Oh, it’s far from awesome, and probably has just as many problems as American comics, but they were different problems. Also, we were getting a sort of filter on them. It was mainly good comics getting translated, and for once, there were companies putting forth a genuine effort to recruit me as a reader. All of these women as main characters, aimed at women readers, drawn by women artists. Instead of a naked emperor, I now had a fully clothed, democratically elected president. I was elated. I started drawing again, now drawing manga-influenced romance stories.

I don’t really like romance, though. And the manga bubble burst a few years ago (okay, now you’re just translating crap; just because it’s from Japan doesn’t mean it’s golden) so I kind of drifted from manga, but I was never pushed out of it. I discovered webcomics, and bookstores had started carrying indie comics. Now here were all kinds of creators doing things, without marketing executives standing over their shoulders telling them “You can’t write that. It doesn’t speak to our demographic, and we can’t sell action figures of that.” Such variety of storylines, from such a variety of creators! All different backgrounds and perspectives, and the only barrier to publishing was internet access. Of course, there’s gonna be lots of bad ones, but the cream more or less rose to the top. So I started doing webcomics, and built myself a thriving career. Dreams coming true left or right, because I stopped waiting for DC or Marvel to fulfill them for me.

But I never stopped liking superhero stories. I love the concept of superheroes. I love escapist stories, stories that let you vicariously be amazing, and do amazing things. But for me, finding female characters having to put up with the same sexism I deal with in the real world, it’s not much of an escape most of the time. I’m constantly ejected from the story, thrust back into real life whenever I notice that naked emperor’s genitals still dangling in my face.

I criticize DC and Marvel extensively, because I want to like them so bad. I want to have that world back. I want to fly, and shoot lasers, and lift cars, and not have to worry about how hard it is to roundhouse kick someone while wearing 5 inch stilettos. There is no reason why I should be told to tolerate the way things are while so many people get to have this carefree enjoyment at my expense. I don’t think I’m alone in this feeling. Heck, part of loving comics is arguing about them with other fans for days on end. :)

1 year ago
#comics #feminism #sexism #superheroes